This past week, I sat on the floor of the House for Governor Dannel Malloy’s State of the State address at the invitation of State Rep. Gail Lavielle (R-143). The room was energized with the knowing smiles of campaign veterans and giddy, apple-cheeked newbies ready to put long-promised campaign ideals into practice.
Gov. Malloy spent several choked-up minutes speaking about Newtown, the newly appointed Sandy Hook commission and the need for gun control. And although his speech was pretty darned light on the details of how to move the Connecticut economy forward (he actually spent more time waving the flags of accomplishment), he did get the soundbite of the day when he observed that the answer to the gun violence problem is not more guns.
Last week, and how to best respond to it. Most reader comments—and I read every single one, even if I don’t always respond—were insightful and rational.
Because Patch In and Patch Back are meant to encourage local debate about the issues of the day, rather than reply to each thread I decided to incorporate readers’ comments here:
- Many asked, "Could someone please explain how mental health evaluations will stop crime?" The Sandy Hook assassin used guns taken from his mother, who acquired her weapons legally and presumably would have passed a mental health background check.
- Some said, "Maybe the answer to gun control IS more guns." No one talks about the number of people whose lives were saved after an armed citizen took out an unsuspecting attacker. Perhaps trained-and-packing staff could prevent future tragedies.
- Others observed, "Are you crazy? No one should have a gun except for members of law enforcement or the military, period." Do you really think your handgun or shotgun is going to keep you safe in the unlikely event the U.S. government storms your house?
- And finally: "A killer with conviction will still find a way to kill, gun or no gun." Remember Oklahoma City?
Many readers used statistics to solidify their points, the details of which I did not verify and will not report here. But lest this debate become a retread of I’ll see your safe and legal gun ownership statistic with an equally persuasive gun violence statistic and raise you with a heartbreaking anecdote, let us stop and reflect on some additional considerations.
First, as of this writing, there has been no credible information on the medicine the Newtown shooter may have been taking. Nevertheless, anecdotal evidence suggests that he was, obviously, mentally ill. What, if any, treatments were made available to him? Did he engage in or refuse treatment, and why?
Second, law-abiding, gun-owning citizens are exposed to the same violent movies, video games and news every day that gun-owning criminals are. Nevertheless, most gun owners are able to resist these violent influences and make it through their lives without committing horrific crimes (or having their weapons stolen for the purpose of committing horrific crimes). Does this fact render the cultural influence argument moot?
Third, shouldn't the purpose of this legislation be to reduce violence in all its forms, not just reduce the number or type of guns sold in Connecticut? And if that is the case, don't we need to address the serious mental health treatment issue in this country?
The ugly truth is that any current or future Connecticut gun control legislation, no matter how strict, is impotent if a crazed person decides to commit a mass killing. Securing a weapon, is, apparently, a simple matter for a determined criminal.
The nature of these tragedies is such that civilized society is compelled to act. And yet, this compulsion to “do something” often results in feels-good, does-nothing, time-squandering legislation.
The gun control debate, up until now, has always resulted in a stalemate because both sides are well armed (no pun intended) with equally persuasive statistics and advocates. Nevertheless, the Second Amendment is clear: the people have the right to keep and bear arms and the Supreme Court of the United States has twice ruled in recent few years to uphold #2.
As a result, our best approach is de-stigmatizing psychological illness to encourage family members to seek help for those who need it most and by making that help readily available. Perhaps we should make a thorough mental health evaluation part and parcel of the well visit (let’s put Obamacare to work!). We should also implement an “if you see something, say something” approach to potential public safety threats.
Just to be clear, I’m no mental health expert. But the approaches we’ve used thus far clearly aren’t working. Anyone who would attack a school, or a movie theater, or a military base, or a mall, or an office is clearly in need of treatment.
Finally, let us remember that more legislation is only better legislation if it provides real value and lasting positive change.
Seems like he had more questions then answers. Thanks, Greg, for your interpretation of Mr. Alexander's comments. I'll bet he couldn't have said it better himself.
Greg Burns...You're part of the solution.
WASHINGTON — The head of the National Rifle Association says the organization has no problem with tighter background checks of gun purchasers. VERY GOOD, one step at a time!
The point of asking questions, versus preaching a point of view, is to stimulate critical thinking and allow others to discover the answers for themselves. A method advanced by some long dead Greek dude I believe. Greg Burns got it. Why didn't you? Don't know any long dead Greek dudes?
You replied... "G...You're part of the problem. Greg Burns...You're part of the solution." Very profound, insightful, and imaginative, NOT. And no, I'm sorry I don't know any long dead Greek dudes. I may not be as old as you, "cuz". Could you please define for me, in your own words, what "evil" is? And how would you know when you're faced with it? And what would be your reaction to "evil"? Could you also please define "deranged sociopath", and explain to all of us how to recognize such individuals? I'm sure we could all benefit from your expertise on these questions.
More Gun Control, magazines, whatever will be the real focus, mostly affecting legal gun owners. However, furthur restricting gun ownership in Connecticut with more restrictions than most states, WILL NOT BETTER PROTECT KIDS IN OUR SCHOOLS. To be honest, I can live with a 10 round magazine even when facing a criminal with 30 rounds. But that will not help Donald McGarry's son nor protect his school. As unpopular, discouraging, regretful, distasteful, controversial and upsetting as it may be - It will take a guy with a gun to stop a guy with a gun. Denial of that reality is foolish. The bad guys will not go away and we may be facing more of them in the future for many reasons. They will be able to get guns illegally, just as they can get drugs. We have to make sure our kids are effectively protected -- regretfully by people with guns.
So what can we do that we can afford. A part time or full time auxiliary police is a solution. Responsible, local people can be found who could be easily trained and managed by local police departments. The "powers that be" would have to relinquish their presumption that current security and policing models are the only answer. Obviously, not proving that effective. Special school security would assume a more limited role than full time police officers. Yes, they can be trained to safely use firearms as a last resort, within the law, as millions of citizens do now. Yes, they can be trained to watch, be aware, and stand as a barrior to harm for our children. Many will distain this concept. However, I have trained soldiers and citizens to effectively defend themselves, men AND women. I know it CAN BE DONE. In fact, I have trained many women in self defense who I would not want to mess with. A lot of mothers would step up to defend their schools as well as fathers, and do it well!
It’s true that President Reagan’s position on gun-control shifted a few times. But in 1991 he decisively, passionately and eloquently threw his support behind the Brady Bill, requiring background checks and a seven day waiting period for handgun purchase. In an Op-Ed piece published in the New York Times looking back on the assassination attempt he survived, the former president said: “This nightmare might never have happened if legislation that is before Congress now—the Brady bill—had been law back in 1981... If the passage of the Brady bill were to result in a reduction of only 10 or 15 percent of those numbers (and it could be a good deal greater), it would be well worth making it the law of the land.” Around the same time, at a gathering at George Washington University marking the 10th anniversary of the attempt on his life, he was quoted as saying: “With the right to bear arms comes a great responsibility to use caution and common sense on handgun purchases. And it's just plain common sense that there be a waiting period to allow local law-enforcement officials to conduct background checks on those who wish to purchase handguns."
Is there a reason why some comments that were posted 2 nights ago were only published to the site this morning? I understand that someone needs to review each posting at some point, but shouldn't that be handled in chronological order? And shouldn't all posts be published with the original post date and time? Approving some posts "when you get around to it" makes no sense and loses all context by the time you publish it 24-48 hours later. Sometimes it is difficult to follow the comments on this site, and now I realize why. Comments are not "approved" or published in chronological order. And even then the date/time stamp is when you decide to approve it, not when the original post was submitted. Date/time of this post is 1/19/2013 11:00 p.m.
New York "makes law-abiding citizens sitting ducks for criminals who have no qualms about violating it in the process of killing and robbing and burglarizing." Do we think, " that criminals will be willing to give up their guns if he makes carrying them against the law. What naivete! Mightn't it be better in those areas of high crime to arm the homeowner and the shopkeeper, teach him how to use his weapons and put the word out to the underworld that it is not longer totally safe to rob and murder? Isn't (violent crime) due as much as anything to the criminal's instinctive knowledge that the average victim no longer has means of self-protection? Criminals are not dissuaded by soft words, soft judges or easy laws. They are dissuaded by fear and they are prevented from repeating their crimes by death or by incarceration. In my opinion, proposals to outlaw or confiscate guns are simply unrealistic panacea."
Summed up it says, a gun kept at home is more likely to be used in violence, an accident or an attempted suiced than self defense and a poorly trained gun owner is unlikely to use one well even when self defense in involved. "Regular citizens with guns who are tired, drunk, angry or afraid and who are not trained in dispute resolution have lots of opportunities for innappropriate gun use." Using a gun in self defense is extremely rare, mostly involving defense against animals, about 1% in home invasions. Children 5-14 are 11 times more likely to be killed in an accidental shooting and kids 15-24 14 times more likely. Women are more like to be murdered by a spouse, boyfriend or close relative when a gun is present. Suicides are more likely to be succesful with a gun. But having said all that, you can relax, Greg, because again, no one is coming to take your precious guns away.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=4494 Bottom line they say your chance of being a victim of violent crime rose from 1.9 persons per 100 to 2.25 persons per hundred in 2011. That means randomly out of every 100 people who cross your path, AT LEAST 2.25 of them have a good chance of being beaten, robbed, raped molested or killed this year. A pleasant thought. It also means that ouut of every 100 people randomly who cross your path, 2.25 of them are criminals who would attack you given the opportunity. There were 5.8 MILLION violent crimes in America in 2011 with an increase of 17%. Divided evenly that is 116,000 violent crimes per state. Connecticut and America, do you feel safe now. How well are you protected by government. Time to disarm the citizens.
http://wilton.patch.com/articles/let-cts-gun-control-debate-begin-part-ii-03f80123