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'Awkward' Look, Cost of Greenhouse in Question

The greenhouse at Newtown High School may be functional by the time the project is over but officials are questioning the quality of the craftsmanship and the overall cost.

The greenhouse at Newtown High School is nearly done, but questions are being raised about the quality of the craftsmanship as well as the cost to the town, officials said.

“There was some difficulty with the installation of the greenhouse,” First Selectman Pat Llodra told the Board of Finance this week. “It was wrongly sized for the foundation and so it looked awkward on its foundation.”

The greenhouse project has been plagued with delays and issues, starting last year when the Public Building and Site Commission and other officials . While officials and the general contractor were able to find ways to , other issues have since arisen.

For instance, due to old drawings one subcontractor had used to build the concrete foundation, the dimensions for the base turned out to be slightly off causing the greenhouse, which arrived pre-fabricated and installed on school grounds, to not fit properly on the foundation, according to Clerk of the Works Bill Knight.

As a fix, the general contractor got another subcontractor to put metal flashing around the gap between the foundation and the greenhouse to protect it from leaks and the plan was to have brickwork go around the foundation to hide the workaround, officials said.

But the mason work was not of a high quality, raising eyebrows last month, Knight said.

“The brick is not level and plumb,” he said.

So while the greenhouse is functional, officials are questioning whether the quality of the work is worth the cost, and discussions are still taking place regarding that issue, officials said.

“Once they started to do the exterior finishes on it, it really became noticeable,” First Selectman Pat Llodra said of the craftsmanship during the finance board meeting. “They continue to try to find some way to fix the problem.”

In addition, officials may have to contend with additional costs to the project because while the greenhouse was intended to be served by a household 1-inch water line, the fire marshal asked that the number of sprinklers be increased from six to 12 so that sprinklers could be installed above and below window shades outfitted on the ceiling of the greenhouse, officials said.

The doubling of sprinkler heads now requires a 2-inch water line to the greenhouse, officials said.

“There are some additional costs related to that,” Llodra said.

Other items also remain outstanding in the high school project, such as blown out speakers in the gymnasium, officials said.

“My worry continues to grow that we have a contract that is not being faithfully executed,” Llodra said.

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Susan McGuinness Getzinger September 14, 2011 at 02:00 pm
“My worry continues to grow that we have a contract that is not being faithfully executed,” Llodra said.....I Wouldn't be able to say it any better, so I will let Pat's statement stand alone.
Swami September 14, 2011 at 04:29 pm
Who was the mason ? Was he paid in full?
Mary Ann Jacob September 14, 2011 at 05:10 pm
What a ridiculous waste of taxpayer money, $200k and counting for a greenhouse? You could build a very nice home for that amount of money.
Sam Mihailoff September 14, 2011 at 06:17 pm
why were not work stoppages DEMANDED as soon as a single spec. was found to be NOT in compliance???
Alex Tytler September 14, 2011 at 06:47 pm
Why are we wastinng money on this kind of thing? How about a hot tub and a tiki bar??
Mike Kelley September 15, 2011 at 12:02 am
Wonder what the cost per square foot of this fiasco is going to be once it is finally done properly? Thank goodness clearer heads intervened to stop the original $400,000 job. Make the original contractor who holds the whole addition contract, do the job right at their expense, not the Town. They were the ones who could not take the original building down without destroying it.
Susan McGuinness Getzinger September 15, 2011 at 05:38 am
BOE save a little money: "One Stop Gardens 10 ft. x 12 ft. Greenhouse with 4 Vents $785 online" - http://www.google.com/products/catalog?client=safari&rls=en&q=greenhouse+prices&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=14164667452821421769&sa=X&ei=uY1xTo_sL6rV0QGerZWKCg&ved=0CHYQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers
Susan McGuinness Getzinger September 15, 2011 at 05:41 am
We could've bought five greenhouses and had $395k left over! Good thing we saved $1.5m - a little "seed" money?!?
Katie September 15, 2011 at 10:40 am
A greenhouse? REALLY? We supposedly don't have money for full day kindergarten but the high school needs a greenhouse?
Dawne Kornhaas September 15, 2011 at 10:55 am
Also could have been a few EA salaries.
KCNewtowner September 15, 2011 at 11:49 am
I think the greenhouse is a good idea. It gives the kids diversity and choice in education. The sad part is that it was already there, it is not something new and the contractor destroyed it. The contract should have stated that if they ruin it, they replace it at their cost. Then we would not have been in this mess.
What is wrong is the mismanagement and lack of accountability. We had the wrong people writing this contract and over seeing it. Look how beautifully the Middle school roof project went! That is how the High school project should have gone. I would have liked to see more press of what went right with the Middle school so folks can learn from it.
Dawne Kornhaas September 15, 2011 at 11:56 am
then is there some way to have this greenhouse useful to the community? meaning we have a victory garden at FFH for the food pantry. Is there a way to use this greenhouse for a purpose such as that?
Mike Kelley September 15, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Ms. Kornhaas;
Now that is a great idea. I hope someone picks up on your suggestion.
A. G. P. September 15, 2011 at 12:52 pm
If the lesson was supposed to be where food comes from, they already missed it. A farmer's first rule is thrift. A farmer's second rule is "Can the KIDS and I do it ourselves?" I suspect that after depreciation, the greenhouse (which BTW cost more than my house) would have been cheaper even as an annual project: semester one; build it using Susan's suggestion, semester two; grow plants and do cost balance exercises.
Charlie Nostrand September 15, 2011 at 01:26 pm
This is textbook example of "poor project oversight" plain and simple on many levels:
- subcontractor's use of "old" drawings - Where was the GC? Were these all apprentices out on their first job while the boss was away?! - not stopping work as soon as specs were off - shoddy "Rube Goldberg" attempt to match misfit pieces - -again, where was the GC? - The Fire Marshall changing requirements after the building was up. I'm all for safety, but I'm curious why he missed this up front. There should be some accountability here as well as 1 inch lines don't "grow" into 2 inch lines for free. I am not against the idea of a greenhouse, but at responsible costs given the tough economic times we are living in. Many have done without salary increases and have accepted reduced benefits this year in order to save jobs. Taxpayers have seen staffing levels reduced to support the budget. Seeing a project like this flies in the face of sacrifices like these. I do like A. G. P.'s idea.
Charlie Nostrand September 15, 2011 at 01:37 pm
All excellent points.
yoda September 15, 2011 at 03:08 pm
Other schools are getting I PADS , we get a green house, whats wrong with this picture??? Talk about stuck in the woods!!!
Sam Mihailoff September 15, 2011 at 11:44 pm
once it is finally done properly...assuming it ever is. I hear the 2015 mode;s will even be nicer!!!
Sam Mihailoff September 15, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Yoda. I think you should bid on the driver's ed contract
A. G. P. September 16, 2011 at 01:08 am
Thanks Charlie!
yoda September 16, 2011 at 10:22 am
Sam, They won't take me, I'm overqualified! Ya know, the force and all!
HanBanan September 20, 2011 at 09:51 am
I'm a high school student and the greenhouse was made with the same craftsmanship that the rest of the school is made with. It's so sad that the town spent all this money to make the school a better learning environment but in return we got a poorly made addition. Trust me, the NHS students will be used to this greenhouse.
Mike Kelley September 21, 2011 at 02:17 am
Not sure what you mean HanBanan, but I am sure that if you have concerns, there are many in the High School Administration and your teachers that you can speak with to address your concerns in confidence. Go talk to them, they may not be aware of your concerns. Give it a shot. I am sure someone will listen, again in confidence.
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