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Common Sense Discussion of Gun Control.

Common Sense about Guns in light of Massacres

 Newtown is but another in a string of occurences which will continue without a frank assessment of gun control, not abolishment, as fearmongers would scream, but real control.

 The hierarchy of the NRA is no different than that of any special interest. They get paid through dues or fees for one purpose only; to advance the agenda of their membership. Failure to even believe in the cause is automatic unemployment.

 I moved from NYC to the upstate countryside, reasons including the belief of relative peace and safety.

 What I encountered was a culture of misguided conservatism, rooted in the idea that our soldiers died to protect our freedoms, as long as those "freedoms" were in line with their culture and traditions, one specifically for this discussion about the freedom to bear arms.

 While gun related violence in the inner urban areas in no less tragic, it is treated as the expected product of the environment. What then are the events in small town america the result of?

 In the cities, the only things we could shoot were squirrels, pigeons, and each other.

 In the country, I understand that there is game and sport to be had. Who needs a semiautomatic rifle or major artillery to shoot a deer? What animals will not be there seven days from now, while you wait for a background check?

 Gun owners cry that it is an invasion of their privacy to have their business known.

 I say, as a non-gun owner that since you now possess an instrument whose sole purpose is destructive, I would like to know that you have been deemed by an accepted critical assessment to be competent to possess such an instrument.

Florida's open carry law already has proven the worst scenario of the human condition.

 Do NOT let ANYONE say that Newtown, Aurora, Columbine, etc., are but aberrations in the normal course of human relations. You, the families of victims, must outnumber, outvote, overwhelm, and overcome the insanity and illogic of unnecessary weapon possession.

 God does indeed bless us. Sadly, many arrogant people throw the blessing back in His face.

 I'm sorry if you might feel this message is inappropiate, which is your right, but the dead can't speak for themselves.

 

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Jose M. Nunez December 19, 2012 at 03:59 AM
Just in case you still don't get it, it's not about taking away your guns. keep them for all I care. It's about you showing the rest of us that you know what it takes to keep them secure from those who have no business handling them. These are the people who cause these tragedies, not you. You don't hand your car keys to an unlicensed drunk, so don't allow anyone to access your firearms you don't stone cold trust. Is that really asking so much?
karen egert February 20, 2013 at 04:24 AM
Dear Ms. Nunez , Thank you for your courage in speaking with conviction, intelligence , passion and integrity . As one who is working 24/7 right now here in Westfield NJ with our group NJ Residents For Action against gun violence , we trying to do exactly what you have so admirably advocate for. My and local Patch articles have been met with the same illogical and irrational comments from other people. I know that these negative comments do not represent the vast majority of those who live in my area. We formed in response to Newtown, and are a growing group of residents that are engaging with our Congressman Leonard Lance , state legislators and trying to galvanize the public around the need for commonsense gun regulation to stop this madness We will never give up
Donald Borsch Jr. February 20, 2013 at 05:23 AM
Mr. Nunez, You said: "It's about you showing the rest of us that you know what it takes to keep them secure from those who have no business handling them." And: "You don't hand your car keys to an unlicensed drunk, so don't allow anyone to access your firearms you don't stone cold trust." Never going to happen, sir. You are not the final authority on this. None of us need to meet your criteria or approval. Your trust is irrelevant.
Jose M. Nunez February 20, 2013 at 05:24 PM
Again, as usual, the defensive comments of a person who missed the point. I never stated to be " final Authority" on this. READ the post. I said an ACCEPTED critcal assessment. If this criteria means dialogue with the NRA, so be it. So far, every post against my blog has been the usual defensive, paranoid, me-first attitude that doesn't help your cause. To reiterate: Want a gun to defend your home? No problem. Want to hunt wildlife? Go right ahead. I don't care if you're a so-called "good ole boy", to whom a gun-totin' life is all you know, I just want someone, ANYONE to certify that you're not crazy. As for this idiot notion that the government will raid your homes, and that you will have to shoot your own soldiers, it will never happen. We don't live in a democracy anymore. Any crybaby that doesn't get his way, even in a 99 to 1 vote, will simply sue, and let the courts drag it out until past our deaths anyway. By the way, When Wayne La Pierre said "the Gov't wants gun control to tax or take them away!", I'm thinking I wish I could come up with some sheeple scaring sound bite to fleece a $800,000 salary, but I remembered I have a conscience.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 20, 2013 at 05:30 PM
Jose, You're putting your demands on me to fulfill your demands of me that the Second Amendment is not demanding. If you're so ambivalent to my owning a firearm, why are you so focused on making sure I own one according to your standards? You cannot have it both ways, sir. And Jose, we have never lived in a democracy. We're a Republic that employs democracy. Big difference.
Jose M. Nunez February 20, 2013 at 06:00 PM
I can't believe that even with handing the pro-gun lobby good, logical points to argue, such as home defense, hunting, sport, etc.; the only commentators even taking the time to respond are the "I'm right, you're wrong, end of story!" types. You're not helping. Remember that the only inalienable rights guaranteed in the Constitution are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit( not Achievement) of Happiness. The 2nd Amendment is just that, an amendment(civics 101), added as an afterthought or correction, as needed for the proper management of the nation. Just as the voice of the democratic majority repealed Prohibition, so they can the right to bear arms. People have proven they will give up their rights to be safe(i.e. Homeland Security, started by Bush), don't think that anything is not on the table. Get your debating skills up to snuff. After all, what are you going to do? Shoot us?
Edmund Burke February 20, 2013 at 06:30 PM
The Bill of Rights is not an "afterthought" or a "correction". I suggest you get a refund on your "civics" 101 course.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 20, 2013 at 06:33 PM
Jose, Don't flatter yourself. Who said I was debating? You have merely provided me with an amusing distraction. However, feel free to keep up with your making demands of free citizenry, and specifically in that we meet your standard of capability to own and bear arms as accorded to us by The Bill of Rights, which is, btw, absolute. Class dismissed. You are free to talk amongst yourselves and see if you can leave us all with a clever parting shot. I know you need to have the last word.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 20, 2013 at 06:35 PM
Edmund, Well, according to the new enlightened and highly-evolved academia of today, the Second Amendment is out-dated, outmoded, and should be completely abolished. So what Jose says is merely that which he is parroting from his betters. Don't blame him, really. He's trying hard to impress you.
Jose M. Nunez February 20, 2013 at 07:47 PM
Sad, It's just sad. Intimidation, high falutin' name calling.Trying to give you every chance to give a linear, logical avenue of discussion ,even hints, and it all just amuses you. We are not even worthy of your time. Stop giving the Bill of Rights the absolutism you fantasize about. It has been changed, it can be changed by the will of the people. We are indeed a Republic(study the etymology of the word), that employs democracy that has the power to change the dynamics of the Republic. As for Mr. Burke, since the civics lesson was lost on you, look up the word "amendment", or to "amend". I don't have to impress anybody, I actually doing everyone on both sides a service by exposing to all the level of spokesmanship needed to get a point across. You ain't it. Sadly, you don't amuse me, you scare me, which is your intention, because you sound more like a Sovereign than a Libertarian. Call John Stossel( also a registered Libertarian), let him show you how it's done.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 20, 2013 at 07:53 PM
Jose! You just won me 5 bucks because you came back to respond like I said you would need to, and before 3 pm!! Thank you! ;)
Edmund Burke February 20, 2013 at 08:20 PM
Jose, The first 10 amendments were a requirement for ratification of the constitution by the states. No bill of rights, no constitution. Hardly an afterthought or a correction. You might want to sue your middle school english teacher as well.
Jeff February 20, 2013 at 09:52 PM
@Jose- I'm not sure where to even start regarding your so called "Common Sense Discussion" of Gun Control. Out of curiosity, are you also pushing hard for a Common Sense Discussion on Mental Illness? Enforcing current laws? Getting tough with criminals? Are you also demanding an investigation and additional research on the impact of prescription drugs that are handed out like candy? I doubt it. We are talking about the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Suggestions. You have the Right of Freedom of Speech. Are you okay with me verifying that you are competent to speak before doing so?
Jeff February 20, 2013 at 09:55 PM
"Gun owners cry that it is an invasion of their privacy to have their business known"? Yes, law abiding citizens that are legal gun owners have a right to privacy! None of your business. Would you agree that the majority of the "shooters" suffered from mental illness? Took medications? Does this concern you? Will you also demand the right to know and the publication of all names, addresses and the identification of your neighbors who suffer from mental illness along with what medications they are on? Of course this information is needed for your safety, right? No, none of your business! This has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do about People Control. We do not live in a collective society and we should not be collectively punished or have our rights revoked for what one criminal or one mentally ill person does. To conclude, you really don't wish to have a discussion on gun control. You want more laws and don't even understand the ones we have. Case in Point. It is illegal to open carry in Florida. You can open carry on private property, but it is illegal to open carry in public. I assume you are referencing the Zimmerman case? Has this case went to trial and a decision been rendered? This is the United Sates of America, you have a right to a trial and are innocent till proven guilty by a jury of your peers! You seem quick to judge Mr Zimmerman as you do Gun owners. Lets wait until the facts come out, shall we?
Jose M. Nunez February 21, 2013 at 06:32 PM
Incredible. You're right. I see it's not about safely owning guns. It's about control. It's okay to register a car, and have to pass a compentecy exam to operate it, but not for guns. I disagreed with a local papers publication of gun owners addresses. Talk about privacy? Almost every contract you sign, especially credit cards, specify that all information is available in a criminal investigation. This one sided discussion is not about mental illness, or crime, or civics. They are their own subjects. This is, and always has been about measures to keep gun ownership accountable, just like we love to do to our elected officials. True to form in the the United States of Hypocrisy, it's look at everyone else, don't look at ME. Take everyone else's rights away, but don't touch ME. Raise everyone else's taxes, but don't raise MINE. Point the finger at everything else, blame everyone else, the world is against you, why is everyone picking on you, etc. Privacy is subjective. I'm not paranoid becuase my life has nothing to hide and I've got all the paperwork. Even this minor concession to law enforcement so as to keep guns in your hands, and be able to trace them if for any reason they should leave your hands, is incomprehensible to those whose ego will not permit any encroachment of personal sovereignity. You say we don't live in a collective society, but as a Christian, I learned about responsiblity toward my fellow man. Remember this, your rights end where mine begin. (both ways)
dj23 February 21, 2013 at 06:58 PM
Well said, Mr. Jeff.
dj23 February 21, 2013 at 07:13 PM
Jose, Will you please tell me how keeping gun owners accountable would have stopped any of the mass killings?
Donald Borsch Jr. February 21, 2013 at 07:29 PM
Jose, Can you show me where gun control works and has eliminated gun violence to nothing? Or are you saying you would accept a small percentage of gun violence, since no law can actually stop it totally? I can stop gun violence, though. A double-tap to the head stops it with 100% success. But that's not acceptable, is it?
Jose M. Nunez February 21, 2013 at 08:57 PM
I had a co-worker just like you. Professional button pusher, rabble-rouser,or as someone put it:" a housewife with no general purpose in life". You're reason to live is to get a laugh by being able to get a rise out of someone. It's the fight you hunger for, not the result. This co-worker said,"Even if I wrote all the laws, I'd still vote against it!"( Apologies to Prof. Quackenbush). If the world were perfect, you'd start a fire, just to criticize the way the firemen put it out. If you had a human, rational thought in your head, it would die of loneliness. I really think that I should offer my rhetorical skills to the NRA, maybe that would give them a fighting chance. As for dj 23, all Adam Lanza's mom had to do was put trigger locks on her guns that Adam had no access to. Force him to go elsewhere, hopefully get so frustrated that the event doesn't happen. Worth a try? Of course, none of you thought of that, because you were all ready to play OK Corral with your hopes of being the newspaper heroes and big shots(not a poor choice of words) about town. I get my respect from my actions, not my toys.
Edmund Burke February 21, 2013 at 09:07 PM
Better than the ONION, I am going long tinfoil.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 21, 2013 at 09:38 PM
Edmund, I freaking love The Onion. But I am more of an aluminum kinda guy.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 21, 2013 at 09:41 PM
Jose, Face facts, oh online wise man. Your solutions, your recommendations would do jack squat to stop gun violence. You want to play the what-if game in your own head, (as long as you can blame guns, gun owners, Nancy Lanza, etc, and NOT blame Adam Lanza for some reason), without realizing that it is a futile exercise. Fact: You cannot legislate morality. You cannot legislate against gun violence. You cannot. Yet you would continue to try, vainly, desperately, hoping that someone would see how wise you are. Yikes. Insanity is doing the exact same thing repeatedly, hoping that you will get a different result each time. Jose, your cyclical reasoning is the exemplification of insanity when it comes to guns. Please, seriously. stop embarrassing yourself.
dj23 February 21, 2013 at 10:01 PM
What a naïve thing to say, Jose. Of course I have pondered whether or not the killer’s mother used gun locks or a gun safe. How do you know she didn’t? Regardless, both of those would have been easily hacked by a family member who was intent on getting access to them and planning to commit a mass killing. That brings us back to the real problem. The mother should have never had guns around a mentally unstable person. Anyone who randomly kills innocent young children has severe mental health problems. The killer should have been screened in our school system and committed to an institution long before he was able to commit this heinous act. The bottom line is, we need to strengthen our mental health system to avoid these mass killings.
Jeff February 21, 2013 at 11:23 PM
@Jose- You sound delusional. You travel via the internet from NY to CT and accuse local residents in a local forum of the following- "It's the fight you hunger for, not the result." Please take a look in the mirror. Consider adding facts to your dribble that impresses no one, but yourself. Maybe then someone will have a slight interest in what you have to say. Not sure why you are trying to "get a rise" out of people in Newtown? NY trampled all over it's citizens or shall I say "Subjects", rights. You should be overjoyed. Cuomo sounds like a real winner. I'm intrigued that you seem to be privy to facts that won't be released until summer. Did Lanza have trigger locks or a gun safe or are you just guessing ,since it suits your objectives? FYI- The State Police report won't be released till summer. It's been my experience that when facts are withheld, somebody has something to hide. You seem fairly impressed with yourself. Impress us with some facts that would support your "Common Sense Discussion Of Gun Control". I suspect you have none and are simply a Gun Bigot? Prove us wrong.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 22, 2013 at 12:24 AM
"Gun Bigot"? Brilliant. I am so using this from now on, Jeff.
Big Family February 22, 2013 at 12:35 AM
Jose M. Nunes, I guess that because I don't agree with you and I believe that Donald Borsch Jr. and others are correct my comments are not to be posted? Journalism at it's best! Thanks.
Jeff February 22, 2013 at 01:33 AM
Don, I thought it was fitting for our "rabble rouser" from upstate NY. May I expound or furthur define. Gun Bigot A person who hates guns. Typically has little or no personal knowledge of guns, may never have even fired one, certainly doesn't have any. Would gladly subject innocent people to defenselessness. An elitist. One with an irrational and morbid fear of guns that is ignorant and immoral. Spews bile and venom at guns, gun owners, gun-rights advocates, gun-rights associations, pro-Bill of Rights legislators. Striking similarity and direct parallels with the racial bigotry of the civil rights efforts since the 1960s.
Jose M. Nunez February 22, 2013 at 04:15 PM
Enough, I actually have a life. When our family visits my cousins grave, dead due to a illegal handgun, I will simply explain to them that there are people whose lives are defined by their guns and their unyielding sense of entitlement supercedeing any societal responsibility. My congregation will pray for your souls. Since you make me out to be such an assumer, I'll go out on a limb and assume you have not talked to Him about it. I will not reply any more. There is a reason for this backlash. While the Lord said "Vengeance is Mine", we are his instruments. The best part is that we live in a country where we can do it with our hearts, minds and votes. Don't have to bully or intimidate anyone with a gun. Not only will the People speak, but the dead will speak through the living. Good luck with that.
Donald Borsch Jr. February 22, 2013 at 04:18 PM
Jose, Which of us here has defended an illegal gun? Your attempt to play the role of victim has failed due to your inability to rationally and reasonably defend your anti-gun position. You have failed and miserably so. Come back later when you have salient words to share. Class is dismissed. You may go now.
Jeff February 22, 2013 at 05:42 PM
Donald, very well put. Jose has failed miserably. He never had one solid fact or data point to support his position. He spoke down to people and sought a forum out of state to lecture us. I've yet to see one anti-gun person offer compelling facts to support their position. It's always emotional. He makes all kinds of statements and when his viewpoint is challenged , he responds he has a life? I guess he came back, usually it's just crickets! I feel sorry for his cousin. I don't know the details, but obviously we are all against illegal guns. I have four family members buried here. No one needs to guess why they rest here. All four were proud members of the U.S. Navy. They gave their lives for our freedom and liberty. Yes Jose, that includes you. Doubt you would understand. Maybe someday? http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/

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